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Re: OSS installation

Postby nuc » Sat Apr 20, 2013 2:59 pm

igorzwx wrote:
nuc wrote:1. Cesium claimed that gstreamer should now work "out of the box" without configuration. It seems that it does. It does not contradict my experience with Linux Mint 14 Mate. This, however, may requires verification.

I'm pretty sure I needed to configure it via gstreamer-properties in order to make gstreamer applications work (in my case PiTiVi)
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Re: OSS installation

Postby igorzwx » Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:25 pm

nuc wrote:
igorzwx wrote:
nuc wrote:1. Cesium claimed that gstreamer should now work "out of the box" without configuration. It seems that it does. It does not contradict my experience with Linux Mint 14 Mate. This, however, may requires verification.

I'm pretty sure I needed to configure it via gstreamer-properties in order to make gstreamer applications work (in my case PiTiVi)


"Out of the box" may mean, in this particular case, "without hacking, patching, and re-compilation".
Configuration might be needed, to a certain extent.

On, Linux Mint 14 Mate, "default_mixer_tracks" and "default_mixer_device" seem to be "deprecated". They can be set to arbitrary values. It does not change everything.
The same might be true for other keys. They might also be set to arbitrary values. I have not yet tested everything.

Everything seems to works on Linux Mint 14 Mate with such settings:

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$ mateconftool-2 --recursive-list /system/gstreamer/0.10/default
 audiosink = Mumu
 musicaudiosink = Mumu

$ gconftool-2 --recursive-list /system/gstreamer/0.10/default
 audiosink = Mumu
 musicaudiosink = Mumu

$ mateconftool-2 --recursive-list /desktop/mate/sound
 default_mixer_tracks = Mumu
 default_mixer_device = Mumu


It was tested with Totem, Opera/HTML5 and "media keys".

Configuration is not needed.
Gstreamer does work with OSS4 "out of the box" without configuration, if "good" plugins are installed.

It does contradict Arch Linux Wiki https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/OS ... _GStreamer
but it works on Linux Mint 14 Mate.
It may not work, of course, on Arch Linux, because Arch Linux developers are not likely to upgrade anything, except for PulseAudio and systemd.

Notification with media keys is indeed enabled in Mate. It works with OSS4, but it seems to be extremely buggy.

Do you have "media keys" and "pop-up notification" working with OSS4?

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Re: OSS installation

Postby nuc » Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:23 pm

2. Arch Linux Wiki is not a reliable source of "technical information". It is outdated, incomplete, and often misleading.

That's why the wiki is open. If you know something is outdated or simply wrong please edit it. :) I'm not sure if all the OSS advantages/ALSA disadvantages are accurate. Maybe you could provide more fitting arguments?

igorzwx wrote:Do you have "media keys" and "pop-up notification" working with OSS4?

Well yeah I configured media keys through oss-vol. Dunno what you mean by pop-up notifications though?..
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Re: OSS installation

Postby igorzwx » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:56 pm

nuc wrote:
igorzwx wrote:Arch Linux Wiki is not a reliable source of "technical information". It is outdated, incomplete, and often misleading.

That's why the wiki is open. If you know something is outdated or simply wrong please edit it. :)

It is not always possible to transform "bullshit" into "technical knowledge".

nuc wrote:what you mean by pop-up notifications though?..


See screenshots in the attachment.

Mate Desktop
mate-settings-daemon-gstreamer: uses gstreamer to provides media keys.
http://forums.mate-desktop.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=38
They seem to use the old patch created by Temüjin et al. in 2009.
The old story of hacking Gnome2 is here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3375

Linux Mint 13 Mate LTS
Open Sound System v.4 (OSS4)
IBM ThinkPad R40
Media Keys: IBM/hotkeys

IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad hotkeys were disabled in Linux in 2009.
They can be enabled with a secret command:
https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/73060
http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.p ... 88#p154863
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IB ... nd_Buttons
http://ibm-acpi.sourceforge.net/README
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Re: OSS installation

Postby nuc » Sat Apr 27, 2013 7:37 pm

Well as I said I use ossvol for media keys. A thing I hate about it is that ossvol mutes sound by decreasing volume to 0 - which pretty much sucks because it makes unmuting impossible.

As for the pop-up notification, yeah your right they don't pop up for me. Is there a way to enable them?
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Re: OSS installation

Postby igorzwx » Sat Apr 27, 2013 8:20 pm

nuc wrote:Well as I said I use ossvol for media keys. A thing I hate about it is that ossvol mutes sound by decreasing volume to 0 - which pretty much sucks because it makes unmuting impossible.

As for the pop-up notification, yeah your right they don't pop up for me. Is there a way to enable them?


You may start a new topic, and we may try to sort this out.

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Re: OSS installation

Postby kobra196 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:52 am

Hi, thnx for the feedback..

I`m still having major trouble getting gstreamer to install.. Using apt-get to get in from the repo doesnt work..

here is my sources.list file from the /etc/apt/ directory

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deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest testing main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/multimedia testing main non-free

deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main


I tried a separate download from the ubuntu site but then I thought I needed a different install method so I tried this procedure, but no luck:
http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial

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Re: OSS installation

Postby igorzwx » Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:06 pm

kobra196 wrote:Hi, thnx for the feedback..

I`m still having major trouble getting gstreamer to install.. Using apt-get to get in from the repo doesnt work..

here is my sources.list file from the /etc/apt/ directory

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deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ debian main upstream import
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest testing main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/security testing/updates main contrib non-free
deb http://debian.linuxmint.com/latest/multimedia testing main non-free

deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main


I tried a separate download from the ubuntu site but then I thought I needed a different install method so I tried this procedure, but no luck:
http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingTutorial


The package "gstreamer0.10-plugins-good" is available in all sorts of testing and stable repositories of Ubuntu and Debian.

igorzwx wrote:You may not need to compile "gst-plugins-good", because everything is available in the standard repositories (i386 and amd64/x86-64):
http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/gstr ... ugins-good
http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/gstr ... ugins-good


If you do not know how to use Synaptic or apt-get, you can simply download these packages manualy, and click on them.

You seems to be a Linux Mint tester. Right?

Download Linux Mint Debian
What is a semi-rolling distribution?
Updates are constantly fed to Debian Testing, where users experience frequent regressions but also frequent bug fixes and improvements. LMDE receives "Update Packs" which are tested snapshots of Debian Testing. Users can experience a more stable system thanks to update packs, or switch their sources to follow Testing, or even Unstable, directly to get more frequent updates.
http://www.linuxmint.com/download_lmde.php


A semi-rolling distro is not cool. It does not roll very fast.
Perhaps, they have a forum where you can ask questions about gstreamer, apt-get, and anything else.

The code name for the next major Debian release after squeeze is wheezy.
http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/

Debian Wheezy:
Package: gstreamer0.10-plugins-good (0.10.31-3+nmu1)
http://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gstre ... ugins-good


The standard repositories of Linux Mint 14 Mate:

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$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://packages.linuxmint.com/ nadia main upstream import
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal-updates main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal-security main restricted universe multiverse
deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ quantal partner
deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ quantal free non-free

# deb http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu quantal-getdeb apps
# deb http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu quantal-getdeb games

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Re: OSS installation

Postby kobra196 » Wed May 01, 2013 11:56 pm

igorzwx wrote:You may not need to compile "gst-plugins-good", because everything is available in the standard repositories (i386 and amd64/x86-64):
http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/gstr ... ugins-good
http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/gstr ... ugins-good


If you do not know how to use Synaptic or apt-get, you can simply download these packages manualy, and click on them.

You seems to be a Linux Mint tester. Right?


I am sort of, trying some Linux distro`s to find a suitable one for python programming.. So what is the procedure for installing the gstreamer1.0-plugins-good files after downloading and unpacking? there is no configure or make file...

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Re: OSS installation

Postby igorzwx » Thu May 02, 2013 12:40 am

kobra196 wrote:
igorzwx wrote:You may not need to compile "gst-plugins-good", because everything is available in the standard repositories (i386 and amd64/x86-64):
http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/gstr ... ugins-good
http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/gstr ... ugins-good

So what is the procedure for installing the gstreamer1.0-plugins-good files after downloading and unpacking? there is no configure or make file...


There is Ubuntu manual for the purpose:
Installing downloaded packages
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Insta ... d_packages

I would not recommend to use dpkg for such experiments. It can brake your system to such an extent that you could only remove or install something with "rm", or "cp" commands.

GDebi will warn you, if something is wrong.

Right click on a .deb package, and select "Open with GDebi package installer".

1. Make an image with a kind of Clonezilla (disaster recovery) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonezilla
2. Learn how to restore your system from an image.
3. Then you can hack your system how you want.

There are Ubuntu, or Linux Mint forums, where your can ask such questions.

2.2 How to use APT locally
Sometimes you have lots of packages .deb that you would like to use APT to install so that the dependencies would be automatically solved.
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-h ... anpackages

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Re: OSS installation

Postby kobra196 » Fri May 10, 2013 9:47 pm

there are no .deb files to use with Gdebi..

Ive posted on the LM forums but hardly got anything: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=132864

I now have a bunch of files for gstreamer with no clue what to do with them

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Re: OSS installation

Postby igorzwx » Fri May 10, 2013 10:11 pm

kobra196 wrote:there are no .deb files to use with Gdebi..

Ive posted on the LM forums but hardly got anything: http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=132864

I now have a bunch of files for gstreamer with no clue what to do with them


There are .deb files. Follow the RED links below the word "download":
http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/gstr ... ugins-good
Download gstreamer1.0-plugins-good
Architecture Package Size Installed Size Files
amd64 1,682.0 kB 4,896.0 kB [list of files]
i386 1,688.1 kB 4,996.0 kB [list of files]


amd64:

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 http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/amd64/gstreamer1.0-plugins-good/download

i386:

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http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/i386/gstreamer1.0-plugins-good/download


You may ask Linux Mint users to make a "screencast" for you with detail instructions.


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