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Midi input from midi keyboard. Is there way?

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:47 pm
by ossuserr
Is there way to input notes from midi keyboard? The keyboard is connected via USB to PC and also via DINs to audigy2 zs platinum's midi-in and midiout. jackd1 patchbay Catia shows no midi boxes.
I ran timidity but the box did not emerge.

Re: Midi input from midi keyboard. Is there way?

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 4:30 pm
by igorzwx
ossuserr wrote:Is there way to input notes from midi keyboard? The keyboard is connected via USB to PC and also via DINs to audigy2 zs platinum's midi-in and midiout. jackd1 patchbay Catia shows no midi boxes.
I ran timidity but the box did not emerge.


Note! MIDI support is not available in OSS v4.0.
_http://manuals.opensound.com/devlists/Linux.html
see also: _http://manuals.opensound.com/developer/MIDI.html


It is not difficult to create a simple script, which can unload ALSA and load OSS4 (and other way round).

Re: Midi input from midi keyboard. Is there way?

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 6:59 pm
by ossuserr
Switching between drivers is not what i want. The idea is to use OSS to have good sound quality during playback of samples.
What about Alsa emulation? Can it help with midi?

Re: Midi input from midi keyboard. Is there way?

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 7:40 pm
by igorzwx
ossuserr wrote:Switching between drivers is not what i want. The idea is to use OSS to have good sound quality during playback of samples.
What about Alsa emulation? Can it help with midi?


ALSA emulation emulates ALSA "software devices" to be used in apps.
It cannot emulate ALSA drivers for MIDI USB keyboards, if OSS4 drivers are not available.
If you do not want to learn Linux, you may try Windows or Mac.

Re: Midi input from midi keyboard. Is there way?

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:18 pm
by ossuserr
Of course i don't want to learn linux. I need a working solution for music writing and linux proves to be not suitable for my purposes. I need out of the box solution instead of spending day and nights to figure out "how to". The programers might have thought about it. But it seems that linux devs do not care for sound quality and your OSS is dead and not developed since it cannot support midi while alsa is not pleasant sounding for unknown reasons. I don't know what for is that linux at all. It does not help against tracking , the only point is that it does not have viruses like in windows... As for the rest... Amateur system which makes you its servant instead of serving to you. If i had known that linux experience would be so disappointing i would not reformatted my hdds to ext. You spend years on that free staff to find out that it does not have support for important features.

Re: Midi input from midi keyboard. Is there way?

Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 10:49 pm
by igorzwx
ossuserr wrote:Of course i don't want to learn linux. I need a working solution for music writing and linux proves to be not suitable for my purposes. I need out of the box solution instead of spending day and nights to figure out "how to". The programers might have thought about it. But it seems that linux devs do not care for sound quality and your OSS is dead and not developed since it cannot support midi while alsa is not pleasant sounding for unknown reasons. I don't know what for is that linux at all. It does not help against tracking , the only point is that it does not have viruses like in windows... As for the rest... Amateur system which makes you its servant instead of serving to you. If i had known that linux experience would be so disappointing i would not reformatted my hdds to ext. You spend years on that free staff to find out that it does not have support for important features.


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Re: Midi input from midi keyboard. Is there way?

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:15 pm
by ossuserr
I guess the cracked windows and the cracked software for windows will be much better than your crap linux with your crap OSS. And YES we won't pay to you, western rascals. Not a penny...

Re: Midi input from midi keyboard. Is there way?

Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:55 pm
by igorzwx
ossuserr wrote:I guess the cracked windows and the cracked software for windows will be much better than your crap linux with your crap OSS. And YES we won't pay to you, western rascals. Not a penny...


It seems that the Russian audiophiles tend to use Windows+ASIO+Pyramix, because they do not want to downsample DXD.
_http://www.merging.com/products/pyramix/dsd-dxd
_http://www.merging.com/products/networked-audio/for-3rd-party-daw

Re: Midi input from midi keyboard. Is there way?

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:24 pm
by ossuserr
What's the price of that pyramix? They hide it. Maybe i could find sponsors.
Will it help to get rid of jackd, libsamplerate and other malicious staff?
I deal with midi and not live recordings, as you know linux notation software uses only jackd. That's why i would like to know which software should be used with pyramix to connect to those programs like finale, sibelius because i will deal with many staves\tracks. As for musescore which seems to be the only decent notation software for linux, i am quite disapointed with the fact that version 1.3 does not allow to input notes via jackd, which means that if you use external sampler like linuxsampler you can't input notes from keyboard. Version 2.0 is beta and uncompiliable or works with errors (not usable), alsa = flat, dead sound, oss = alive sound, details and drive but no midi input.
And i want to return to my question concerning the workflow. I don't need jack with those finale and sibelius? Do they have good internal sampler capable of handling sfz, gig and sf2?
How will that pyramix connect programs to each other without jackd?

Re: Midi input from midi keyboard. Is there way?

Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 3:34 pm
by igorzwx
ossuserr wrote:What's the price of that pyramix? They hide it. Maybe i could find sponsors.
Will it help to get rid of jackd, libsamplerate and other malicious staff?
I deal with midi and not live recordings, as you know linux notation software uses only jackd. That's why i would like to know which software should be used with pyramix to connect to those programs like finale, sibelius because i will deal with many staves\tracks. As for musescore which seems to be the only decent notation software for linux, i am quite disapointed with the fact that version 1.3 does not allow to input notes via jackd, which means that if you use external sampler like linuxsampler you can't input notes from keyboard. Version 2.0 is beta and uncompiliable or works with errors (not usable), alsa = flat, dead sound, oss = alive sound, details and drive but no midi input.
And i want to return to my question concerning the workflow. I don't need jack with those finale and sibelius? Do they have good internal sampler capable of handling sfz, gig and sf2?
How will that pyramix connect programs to each other without jackd?


You may find prices here:
_http://www.merging.com/sales/
_http://digitalaudioservice.de/catalogsearch/result/?q=Pyramix+Workstation

Perhaps, Pyramix software may do the work. They have a forum: _http://forum.merging.com/

You may better ask your "midi/alsa/windows" questions on Audacity forum: _http://forum.audacityteam.org/

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Re: Midi input from midi keyboard. Is there way?

Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 11:57 pm
by Xylemon
Back to the topic of the thread and getting away from all this uh, odd discussion, a friend and I were reading about how you can use OpenBSD's sndio with OSS and it seems you can get MIDI input that way. I haven't messed around with it yet, but it seems like a viable option compared to loading and unloading ALSA (especially since ALSA is evil!)

Re: Midi input from midi keyboard. Is there way?

Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 3:06 pm
by igorzwx
Xylemon wrote:a friend and I were reading about how you can use OpenBSD's sndio with OSS and it seems you can get MIDI input that way.


It is another OSS, a kind of OSSv.3 fork.

If you have a MIDI keyboard, you may try a solution similar to that proposed by hash _http://www.opensound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5801#p21168

The idea is very simple: load ALSA MIDI modules together with OSS4.

To avoid conflicts between hardware modules, you have to prevent OSS4 MIDI drivers from being loaded.

Code: Select all

$ cat /usr/lib/oss/etc/installed_drivers
oss_hdaudio #Intel High Definition Audio (PPT)
oss_usb #Generic USB audio/MIDI device (BETA)


This means that oss_usb should not be loaded. You can simply edit "installed_drivers" to remove the line with "oss_usb".
The manual is here: _http://www.opensound.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5801#p21168

For audio playback, you can use ALSA emulation with OSS4, if OSS playback is not supported by the app in use.

See also: _http://www.opensound.com/wiki/index.php/Configuring_Applications_for_OSSv4#Midi_applications